tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post5338552344527577326..comments2023-11-03T08:45:55.121+00:00Comments on Stephen's Liberal Journal: Local Income Tax and the ScotsmanStephen Glennhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-77219381238155991902008-09-05T15:59:00.000+01:002008-09-05T15:59:00.000+01:00StephenI posted a reply - on similar lines - at Je...Stephen<BR/><BR/>I posted a reply - on similar lines - at Jeff's original post, before I was aware of your post. It replicates some of the points and makes one or two others.<BR/><BR/>ScottScott @ loveandgarbagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16057169237461813713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-70460778196637257172008-09-04T15:29:00.000+01:002008-09-04T15:29:00.000+01:00Sorry Indy which Ireland are you asking me about.I...Sorry Indy which Ireland are you asking me about.<BR/><BR/>In the North they still have Rates set by the local authority.<BR/><BR/>In the republic there is still commercial rates in operation. Water charges and waste taxes are also paid locally and the Motor fund does some into local authority coffers on distrubution. However, since local taxation on individuals was scraped before Article 9 came into being I take it they fall outwith this stipulation as a smaller country with at the time only one level of taxation.Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-55628087251287539372008-09-04T15:14:00.000+01:002008-09-04T15:14:00.000+01:00How does Ireland get round this then?How does Ireland get round this then?Indyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04383904151475839441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-50000384492042068342008-09-04T14:51:00.000+01:002008-09-04T14:51:00.000+01:00Eek next you be getting me to take another sabatic...Eek next you be getting me to take another sabatical ;)Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-89516707571288462892008-09-04T14:39:00.000+01:002008-09-04T14:39:00.000+01:00Hi Stephen,What I wrote was:"I guess it would be t...Hi Stephen,<BR/><BR/>What I wrote was:<BR/><BR/>"I guess it would be the EU that would be more at fault than LIT if there was some sort of supposed illegality at play"<BR/><BR/>So yes, you read it wrong. I wouldn't say it was "subtle inflection", you just read it wrong.<BR/><BR/>The "illegality" would of course lie at the door of the SNP's LIT plans but the fault of that illegality, I would argue, is with the EU.<BR/><BR/>That said, you don't get to cherry-pick which rules apply and which don't so, again, the SNP approach would have to be "so be it" and the Lib Dem version of LIT would probably go forward.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you should just do one post at lunchtime to avoid future sloppiness... ;)Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485196287282298695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-19019213330703032972008-09-04T14:21:00.000+01:002008-09-04T14:21:00.000+01:00To be fair Jeff you post does accuse the EU of ill...To be fair Jeff you post does accuse the EU of illegality if any existed. If I missed any more subtle inflection I'm sorry but I was rushing to do two posts over lunch.<BR/><BR/>Although I have to say that as my real speciality in my degree was Europe I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes that economics in relation to the EU.<BR/><BR/>Although to be honest I think the issue of who sets the rate is the biggest obstacle to getting Lib Dem support on this issue as was apparent on Newsnight Scotland last night. As I said most of the other counter-arguments you put across I'm largely in agreement with.Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-50698775438904413972008-09-04T14:11:00.000+01:002008-09-04T14:11:00.000+01:00"Jeff makes one claringly obvious Nat mistake by d..."Jeff makes one claringly obvious Nat mistake by dismissing article 9 of European charter of local self-government too glibbly. "<BR/><BR/>I'll be honest, I've never heard of article 9 before today but I wouldn't say I dismissed it glibly at all.<BR/><BR/>Infact, my saying "so be it" in my own post meant that if the SNP's plans fall foul of the EU law/directive/whatever then there'll be no option but to go for the Lib Dem plan.<BR/><BR/>I suspect, with cross party support required, the SNP would have had to go for the genuinely local option anyway, EU rules or no EU rules.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485196287282298695noreply@blogger.com