tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post1808262336094807250..comments2023-11-03T08:45:55.121+00:00Comments on Stephen's Liberal Journal: An Evolution of Devolution #ldconfStephen Glennhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-50496532325258726872009-09-23T18:49:56.670+01:002009-09-23T18:49:56.670+01:00Only just got round to seeing this - I actually su...Only just got round to seeing this - I actually submitted an amendment to this motion calling on our Federal Policy Committee to bring forward proposals on addressing the centralised and unaccountable nature of government in England, but it was rejected by conference committee. Hopefully this subject will return at a future conference.Bernard Salmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16756716991445396009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-34317800055975854422009-09-21T11:24:38.035+01:002009-09-21T11:24:38.035+01:00The final thing I need to address is the issue of ...The final thing I need to address is the issue of Tuition fees which I am doing seperately.<br /><br />It remains policy to do away with Tuition fees. The issue is we have to be honest with the British people about what in the current climate we can afford. The Lib Dems for the last three General Elections have been the only party with a independent fully costed and audited manifesto. We intend to do so again. What our spending priorites are is currently a far too dynamic issue. <br /><br />We are not going to promise the earth like the Tories and not unveil details on some areas until late next year after the election. We are not going to say we'll do nothing. The people deserve honesty, they have been tightening their belts and the public purse needs to do likewise. <br /><br />What we are looking at is those that are most vulnerable and how we can help them. We want to keep as many of our pledges to them as possible and looking at how we can afford to do so. Students, the low paid and the elderly are key areas that fit into the group we want to help as best we can. It may come in stages, it may come intially where the greatest need is. We have to be aware, honest and blunt. <br /><br />We are in a mess financial, though not as Cameron says 'bankrupt'. We will do all we can, nothing has changed as far as policy is concerned apart from votes at Conference this week. We have many long term policies that we have yet to implement even after years of powersharing in Scotland, it does not make them any less a policy.Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-49691174221131303932009-09-21T11:16:10.459+01:002009-09-21T11:16:10.459+01:00Stephen, first off the motion had the amendment to...Stephen, first off the motion had the amendment to include the issue of English devolution. But as Kirsty William said in her summation, it is not for the Scots or Welsh to tell the English how to go about it, though of course we are examples of practise. Though I do echo the call for the English Party to bring a motion to conference and lets have an update on policy to move that debate on.<br /><br />Wardog, it appears we cannot win. We have Scots calling for a referendum for the people from the platform and we are called illiberal. I'm bemused.<br /><br />As for what is paid for in Scotland, yes the Barnett formula needs revisiting. Even the man himslef says so. However, how the money that any region of the UK ends up getting is spent it up the the adminstration of that region, or should be. We can and should survive with different spending priorities in the devolved areas. I'm all for decentralising that ability to the people who know best.<br /><br />Stephen you are forgetting one thing in you list of things. The Scottish Banks (including the RBS), and indeed the largest Building Society are now largely owned by the UK people.Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-36573663262029126542009-09-21T11:06:19.117+01:002009-09-21T11:06:19.117+01:00Hi guys sorry I've just around to looking at t...Hi guys sorry I've just around to looking at the comments, busy day.<br /><br />Neil, first off as you know I am one of the few who has allowed your comments through as I believe in free speach. But your rhetoric is always the same and always off topic promoting your own agenda, hence forth I am considering it spam unless it directly is relevant to the issue at hand.<br /><br />I have given you prior warning, so you should not have any complaint that the above post has now been deleted.Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-2399649470907498032009-09-21T10:35:59.570+01:002009-09-21T10:35:59.570+01:00Yes. Tuition fees should be implemented in Scotlan...Yes. Tuition fees should be implemented in Scotland. The English can no longer pay for the benefits Celts enjoy.<br /><br />BTW the Barnett Formula is merely the tip of the iceberg sinking England. Jobs have been pouring into Scotland. HMCR's bank account is now in RBS's hands since being removed from the Bank of England. Tuition fees for English students are administered by a Scottish company, to add insult to injury. Unclaimed baby bonds are run by a Scottish friendly society. Add the movement of shipbuilding and armed services jobs as well as many others from England to Scotland and the benefits to Celts at English expense are increased substantially.<br /><br />The English pay, but have no say. If the UK is to survive then it must be as a fully federal system with each devolved national parliament having full fiscal control over its respective nation, including the nation of England. The UK government can then be funded from each devolved government. Any shortfall can then be negotiated between the respective devolved parliaments.<br /><br />Full clarity will result so we can all see whom is poncing off who.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-32776726426199657092009-09-20T17:06:39.156+01:002009-09-20T17:06:39.156+01:00Yet more mixed up thinking form the Illiberal Demo...Yet more mixed up thinking form the Illiberal Democrats.<br /><br />ANy view son dropping the abolition of tuition fee's Stephen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-13538333889290082422009-09-20T15:28:24.563+01:002009-09-20T15:28:24.563+01:00Is anybody actually speaking for England and the E...Is anybody actually speaking for England and the English?<br /><br />I read the usual "regional" drivel from a "North Westerner", but little else.<br /><br />Every MP misrepresenting an English constituency should be ashamed of him/her self.<br /><br />Not a chance of that emotion though. The LibLabCon coalition is institutionally Anglophobic.<br /><br />Each LibLabCon MP has "I hate England" written through him/her like a stick of rock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14418636.post-82135340639274943322009-09-20T15:03:07.725+01:002009-09-20T15:03:07.725+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.com